that's how people related to it. >> joining me now is thomas morton. we talk about this being controversial. it seems like cycle of whether music is glorifying violence or if it really is like that. >> it is an age-old question. when you mention rob emmanuel talking to the gang bangers and saying leave the children alone, the rappers who are making drill music are teens. nevertheless, they're under 20. this is all they've been handed pretty much. it's foolish to expect them to be able to turn something else about it. they live in one of the most deprived neighborhoods not just in chicago, but in the country. it shouldn't surprise anybody that that's -- that's basically all they have to rap about. what else would they be talking about? >> the magazine i used to work for did a piece on chicago a month ago. there are reasons why people are shooting each other that have nothing to do with availability of guns. there are kids who have no sense of a future. that speaks volumes on how we abandon those on the very bottom. the trauma that these people are livin